Best Thing I’ve seen So Far on the Issue

Since the Supreme Court decision last week, I have seen and heard a lot of good stuff helping to sort out the issues.
But this is perhaps the best thing I’ve seen. It’s simple and to the point. Whoever you are, do yourself a favor, and check it out.

The only thing I would say is the that, as good as this is, it still will not convince many people who disagree. But the real power of it, I think, is not its ability to win those folks over, but rather the great way it reminds people like me of what is really true.

This little message is what’s in my heart. Really.
Now the part that I need to work on is living and loving well so that people can see it.
Lord Jesus, forgive and help me…

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9 thoughts on “Best Thing I’ve seen So Far on the Issue

  1. Please understand that I’m not saying this because I disagree with your intent. From what I can read here, you are looking for ways to better express love. But the piece you linked to came across to me as condescending and patronizing. If I was the person being spoken to in that way, I would run, not walk.

    Here’s a suggestion, perhaps just a behavioral tactic, about showing the love of God. Don’t point out other people’s sins to them – ever. Everyone has enough sins of their own to contend with. People are hurting. Be NICE. Be HELPFUL and GENEROUS. That’s all you have to do.

    • Mikey —
      Thanks for stopping by and taking the time to comment. Please do so in the future. I do not get enough traffic from folks who see things real differently.
      I will prayerfully consider your advice. Honestly. But for now, let me give you my first response.

      I am happy to take the approach you recommend, if you can demonstrate to me that it is the approach taught and modeled by God’s prophets and apostles in the Scriptures.
      There is certainly a balance to walk. I do not want to be unnecessarily offensive; I want to tell the truth in a way that truly loves and serves God and people. I admit that I am much better at the former, but I want to get better at the latter. And the main reason I liked the cartoonist’s message was because he CLEARLY put himself in the sinner category right along with the homosexual person. Truly, I don’t know what else Christians can do… except… well, keep reading…
      I have long pondered the confrontational nature of the gospel and the relational ulteriority of evangelism. I understand. I get the objections from a Nietzsche/Foucault perspective (i.e. all truth claims are power-grabs). But what can be done? In the end, I say/do nothing, or I try humbly to serve the Truth.
      Christians like myself have to remember, as we try to speak His truth in the world, that the Lord does not measure our success in terms of our receiving a favorable response. Rather, He asks us to bear faithful testimony and leave the outcome to Him.
      If you read my post, you’ll remember that I was already aware that most unconvinced people would remain unconvinced after reading the message. But the message is true and good and right, nonetheless.
      Still, the path for Christians to walk in the present hour is not to seek to persuade homosexuals to believe the ideas in the cartoonist’s message. It’s not as though the task the Lord has put before us is to keep telling people we love them; the task is to show them we love them–or better yet, just to love them with His love. This is where your advice has real power. And, again, I thank you for it. In fact, I thank the Lord for it. Whether or not you realize it, He has used you to speak to me.
      So let me try to do the same for you. You advise me to “be NICE.” That idea, in and of itself, I find to be quite unhelpful. God is not “nice.” Read the Scriptures, and you’ll find that God is not the least bit interested in niceness, either in Himself or in His people. He calls us to holiness, goodness, peacefulness, kindness, righteousness, mercy and many other things. But niceness, never. Niceness is a veneer for the sake of smoothing over differences in society. God is completely uninterested in it. He consistently blows right through it with justice and LOVE.
      Please DO reply with your further thoughts, if you have the time.
      Shalom!
      — KC

      • Thanks for your considerate reply. This conversation is interesting to me as well.

        As to your initial invitation to demonstrate authority, unfortunately I don’t consider it polite behavior to play what I call “The Scripture Quotes Game”, a competition in which you and I match our ability to pit sections of the Word against each other. I could do it, mind you. I’m Christian from childhood, fairly well-educated, and my wife’s got an MA in Theology. I’ve got a whole room-sized library of “ammo”. But God made me more pragmatist than philosopher.

        Here’s an alternate choice. You get to present whatever verses you choose, and the verses get to keep each other company. I’m talking instead about the life examples of those like Francis of Assisi, Mother Theresa, a style of service in which you teach the love of God by giving it. It’s the action of washing the feet of tired travelers in silence, as the Benedictines do. It’s the hug offered without the required payment of sitting through the sermon. It’s the free lunch some say doesn’t exist.

        The hunger for God is innate, and so is our capacity to love unselfishly. You don’t have to say anything at all. God keeps putting those in need right in front of you. You meet the need as best you can, and when or if someone asks for guidance you can say “do this”, and get back to serving.

        I try to assume that I only know what I have experienced. That is my truth, not anyone else’s. God doesn’t need my help to change hearts and minds. I’m a volunteer in a process I belong to, but didn’t start.

        I hope this clarifies why I dislike approaches like that of the cartoonist a bit. I’m sure they meant well, but any time you promote an explicit message someone didn’t actively ask for it’s got a good chance of upsetting them. So my alternative choice is to try and be nice to people, precisely because so much of the world isn’t. How many people do you know who always get enough love?

        I fail of course. Not as often as I used to, but still often. The remedy of confession, prayer, forgiveness and rededication apply equally to me.

  2. I hope you will understand my response as dialogical rather than argumentative. Sometimes it is actually in the give-and-take of ‘argument’ that I learn. And sometimes I argue harder on the outside than I really am feeling on the inside, not because I necessarily hold that strong of an opinion, but because it allows my mind to get traction and to consider things better. (To me, it’s like the difference between bald tires and knobby tread.)

    So it seems to me that the “Claim the Saint” game could be played just like your “Scripture Quotes Game.” The difference, of course, that nobody takes the “saints” as canonical, whereas I, at least, take the Scriptures as the reliable and authoritative word of God. Also, what if you delved deeply into a study of Francis or Teresa or some of the others you like and found that they just as strongly taught things like, ‘just as words without deeds are dead, so deeds without words are aimless; practice and doctrine must be held together’? Then what?

    But you’ve misunderstood the point of my asking you about Scripture. It wasn’t about quoting verses. It was about following the book. Look again at my wording. Without quoting a single verse or passage, I can definitely say that the prophets and apostles (i.e. biblical writers) wrote WORDS. And the message of those words tells me that you are right about the key importance of love in action. But it doesn’t JUST tell me that. It also tells me that theological truth matters. That there is only one way to relationship with God, and people need to be told what it is. And so on I could go.

    Jesus’ love is not just a set of actions. It is a home in which we were designed to live. And coming to that home involves coming to Him as sinners in need of His grace. Many (most?) people will reject His love, unless He offers it on their terms. But He is the King and He gets to say how it goes.

    His instructions to me? Make disciples of all people, teaching them to obey all that He has commanded. This will not mean less than what you are prescribing, Mikey, but it must mean more.
    So help me understand. What’s the more?

    (Again, please understand the argument as sincere dialogue.)

    Have a blessed Fourth!
    I hope you will observe the day, as I do, remembering Hebrews 11:13-16.

  3. Confession of sin (not the Catholic form) and asking for forgiveness through the Savior is one form of atonement. If there is a person sinned against there is the attempt to get forgiveness from them or to make restitution.

  4. I see. Sorry… I didn’t mean to professorial.
    Anyway, your point is well taken.
    In fact, I have thought about writing a confessional post, because I realize it that, when commenting on social issues, people like me can often be misunderstood.
    I do not stand above anyone looking down. I stand with them, looking across.
    The owner of this blog is a great sinner. It’s just that my being a sinner doesn’t change what the truth is or the need for truth to be said.
    For example, there is no such thing as “same-sex marriage.” By definition, it is a metaphysical impossibility. That is the truth, regardless of whether anyone believes it or likes it. Saying so does not mean that I think I have no sin of my own.
    Jesus did not say the woman’s adultery was okay. He just said that other sinners had no place to kill her, as if they had no sin of their own.
    What if the same men who dragged her to Jesus had, instead, led her there in love, knowing her need of Him? Would Jesus have criticized them for bringing her to Him when they had sin of their own?

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